Originally Posted by
LeeFXDWG
Motch,
The only furloughs with any rights to a particular seat are the voluntary ones. Involuntary furloughs are recalled, regardless of their post ISL seniority, to unfilled vacancies (means they were offered to all active pilots, more or less, before the recall offer).
Remember, equipment bidding goes to the old UAL system under the new contract post seniority integration. Basically, a bid will be posted with the junior BES bids, they go unfilled, then recalls are offered for those slots. Takes about 30 days to do that evolution.
So you're correct, there could very well be a more senior guy that bypassed a CAL offer, gets/accepts a recall to a junior BES, and has guys junior to them on a more senior or preferred BES by virtue of having taken the TPA CAL job offer. Thats the way it is.
They will get a chance to bid any vacancy from that point forward. But, other than recall order, seniority plays no role in BES for a furlough recall assignment.
Frats
Lee
The Bold part is what I don't really understand with regards to Furlough Recall.
A bid comes out on 1 Oct for 30 737 Capt and FO's, SFO. Also a Bid for 20 756 FO EWR (NYC).
How do they recall the 80 pilots needed?
Do they first first fill all the slots and then back fill into the empty slots? What happens if 10 LUAL guys from IAD pick EWR 756... don't you then have to run a bid for the 10 empty slots in IAD?
When would the "recall" happen, and into what position?!
Under the old CAL System, we had at least 2 bids a year.. but we never had (nor can I recall) a bid where we needed to recall our furloughees plus hire at the same time.
AND- we always knew that 737 EWR and maybe IAH were junior. But now, all bets will be off!
Word on the street is that SFO 737 Base is happening soon.. but how and when they fill it is going to be interesting. If you fill it with some LUAL pilots (and I'm fine with that.. as long as it's done in some sort of seniority order), what system do you use for Bidding and Scheduling? If it's LCAL PBS and our CCS, now you need to import them from your system into ours!
What a mess.
And your part about a recall accepting a junior BES and then bidding into a more senior BES is true and makes sense. But what a training nightmare that's going to be!
I see pilots moving all over the place, and doing alot of training.. in the next few years. Of course the one good thing will be that they will be offering SRM/JRM pay for many BES's for a long time to come if this holds true.
Lee, I believe you're a LUAL guy over on the LCAL Side? Are you planning to stay where you're at or are you going to move the first chance you get?!
Will also be interesting what sort of limitations or deals ALPA makes with the company on this.
Seat lock for recalls?
No movement for the LUAL CAL Pilots until they would actually be recalled?
Like I said, this could get very interesting. Wonder if we will also have a combined union MEC by the time this all starts to work itself out?
When are we required to "merge" the MEC? At the end of the SLI? When it's signed by the union and company? At its implementation?
Back to my beer!
Motch