Originally Posted by
iaflyer
I think in this instance ALPA was thinking like a business. Perhaps airline management or a consultant said that overall, ALPA will get more dues $$$ and more political power by expanding the regionals.
ie - rather than say (completely made up numbers) 20,000 well paid pilots, 40,000 pilots who are paid moderate wages will result in more dues $$$ and more power for ALPA.
Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
ALPA had (and has) a role in the furlough of Delta pilots and the "regionalization" of work rules. They both stem from ALPA leaders who allowed and fought for a different, lower, standard of Delta pilot called Delta Connection.
The furloughs of the last decade were completely unnecessary and avoidable. Delta hired more pilots within Delta's brand than were furloughed.
ALPA failed by breaking unity. ALPA has not learned from the mistakes of the past, yet. We should be fighting for one, higher standard, for all pilots. Not separating those within the class and craft of Delta pilots.
Originally Posted by
shiznit
A vast majority of the growth was at NON-ALPA DCI anyway!
ACA - gone (ALPA)
CMR - gone (ALPA)
XJT - LAX DCI terminated (ALPA)
ASA - pretty much stable, some growth (ALPA)
MESA - DCI cancelled (ALPA)
CPZ - mostly stable sized (~100 pilot growth) (ALPA)
PNCL - shrinking (ALPA)
MSA - shrunk and merged (ALPA)
SKYW- lots of growth (non union)
GOJET- new DCI. (Non-ALPA)
CHQ - lots of growth (non-ALPA)
shuttle Amer. - lots of growth (non-ALPA)
Shiznit,
The posters above are discussing primarily the post 2001 period. As your data above clearly shows, ALPA led the way in outsourcing mainline flying and those pilot's jobs with 8 large regionals represented by
ALPA. The 4 new regionals that you're highlighting now in an attempt to shift focus away from ALPA's complicity, actually makes another point. It shows the complete failure of the Moak doctrine of gaining ALPA members as being the key to ALPA's future strength. All it's done is highlight the whipsaw of the old shrinking ALPA regionals that started it all, by the new non-ALPA regionals.
An
ALPA fail on all fronts...and a
management win on all fronts. That is of course unless there is no difference between ALPA and airline managements. If the Moak doctrine is really nothing more than giving managements what they say they need, and hope benefits trickle down to pilots, then I guess we're all seeing the trickling of this experiment.
Carl