Originally Posted by
Elcid93
Any C-17 guys have experience with this? I would say 90% of my time was on augmented crews and the time was split evenly though the 3 crew members (primary,secondary, and other). After talking to other MWS guys, this wasn't really an issue because most of their crews were basic. I think it's crazy to not count almost a third of my time past AC cert because of an extra crewmember.
On one of the military conversion spreadsheets on this site states "*Note: Copilot OTHER time is not included in SIC time nor is any student time. This is based on FAR 61.51 (logging second in command). The KC-135 is a dual pilot required airplane; therefore both the primary and secondary time as co-pilot, assumes I was at one set of controls. The other time based on the best information available could be counted as SIC in the overall time based on an article in Dec 98 issue of Airline Pilot Careers, page 31. Article stated "Since you are all required crew members according to military regulations….all the time in flight may be logged as SIC, or if you signed for the aircraft, as PIC." I did not use this approach for SIC but I did for PIC because of the 90% applied (more conservetive)."
I can't find this article anymore online, so I don't know if it is even worth talking about. But I'm curious to know what other heavily augmented crews did about this.
Ok... This a frustrating topic for me as I have struggled to accurately capture/translate my military time into an acceptable format which an airline will find appropriate. What I have done for my PIC time is to add up all the time flown as EP/IP/MP for every platform (I have quite a few -135 variants; 11 to be exact) then I subtracted the other time. I counted all of my other time as SIC since FAR 61.51 says:
(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of §61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft’s type certificate;
Since the aircraft i have flown require multiple pilots and I occupied a "crew member station" (doesn't say pilot position or anything about flight controls) then I assumed it was ok to count as SIC.
From what I read on this thread, it sounds like I may have under stated my PIC time and unintentionally over stated my SIC time. Also i thought they only really care about PICtime anyway? Thoughts?
I am current USAF about to retire with 5356TT, 3680 PIC, 1378 SIC and 298 student. Total other time is 421.