The problem is that every time this comes up for a vote mainline keeps giving this stuff up for small incremental increases that ultimately get eroded in bankruptcy. You really want a change; take all the flying back, turbo-props included. Swallow the pill and get a national seniority list with standardized pay scales and benefits. Get it in your contract that no flying can be done by pilots not part of what ever union you decide on. Lastly stop pointing the finger at each-others pilot groups as the problem. While you argue and blame each others industry as the problem management laughs all the way to the bank with your pensions, pay, and general quality of life. Ask yourself how many bonus's have handsomely retired your CEO's while you bicker.