Originally Posted by
syd111
Yes Ben and I have said in the past the decision will not have much impact on me but I will always pull for my ual pilots that will be affected. The amount of our pilots that will be stapled with the sli list is wrong in my opinion so I will voice an opinion against that list. Some folks here have never had their seniority moved or played with, I have and I can tell you it will bother them a long time, every bid, every vacation, every family event, every time they don't get on a non rev flight with their family, or worse yet when things start going backwards and so on. Some of this will not hit home until the list is in effect and if done way to one side or the other we will not have any unity which will efect us all.
Ben when this merger first took place I would walk up to any cal I saw and introduce myself and so on. After the profit sharing issue I saw a huge change in many ual pilots and even further after the sli proposal from cal. Maybe that won't matter but I think it will be hard to change some of those attitudes no matter which way the list goes.
As far as where I sit the only differenceis what flying I wil do, china, south or hnl, not anywhere near the difference as many here. However I try not to look at the folks from your group that will be in front, yes 1983, but we won't go there.
Ben, I could be totally wrong, the list could go all cal proposal and still have great unity, I just don't see that happening, the unity that is. Have you ever had your seniority moved before?
Do you really see great unity if this goes anywhere near cal proposal??
Thanks for the honest reply Syd. I agree with all of your sentiments, and feel the same way in most instances. The truth of the matter is that this merger has taken WAY too long. As a result, the potential for disunity has prevailed. We must make a conscious effort to thwart this venom.
I spoke with a friend of mine on the UAL MEC last week and we went tit for tat, in jest, on what wouldn't have happened had the company been serious about this merger two years ago. Things mentioned were:
-I would have never written my com piece
-The profit-sharing debacle wouldn't have occurred
-The UAL MEC would never have launched a grievance stating that all (both UAL and CAL) flying belonged to UAL
-The UAL MEC wouldn't have launched a grievance To block the CAL Pilot's IAH 787 base
-The MEC's would not have had to fight for an LOA to extend the UAL TPA protections for the UAL Pilots (passed by the CAL MEC unanimously, UAL MEC by majority)
-The UAL MEC would have been included in Bids 13-08, and 14-02. Ergo, they wouldn't be fighting to cancel my Pilots current bid awards on said bids
At the end of the day, I'm embarrassed by how we have treated each other. I'm also encouraged by talks with individual Pilots from both sides. Get a few blue suiters into a quorum and common sense seems to depart the fix. Get a few black-suiters together and witness the same phenomena.
We both have our beliefs about how things should work out. We've both seen each other's proposals. The only thing that keeps me sane is my commitment to accept the sli, then show up the next day and focus on our collective goals going forward.
My com, that offended many, needed to be said; if for no one else but me. I got it off my chest and can return to our core values. I'm gonna try to serve as best I can until I can't take anymore. I look forward to what both groups bring to the table. The UAL sli might set me back 7 years(last time I was 81% was 2006), but it will be what it will be.
No one posting on this forum had any input into the sli proposals, including me. As a result, I hold no contempt for any line Pilot.
Frats,
-Ben