Originally Posted by
Is offline
It made no difference that pinnacle was alpa. They asked the judge for what they wanted and got it. They asked the pilots for what they wanted and the pilots voted it in by 86% and now they are crying like a bunch of babies. How do you think that great contract is gonna look in a couple of years when the final fleet count is 80 900's and there are 450 captain downgrades as FO's and the remainder of the seniority list are gone. Alpa did nothing for pinnacle except take money from pilots. With an FO pay scale that caps out at $37/hour I'm betting 450 captains regret voting for that
Originally Posted by
ShyGuy
If you read what I actually said, I said that pinnacle is better of for being union or would have been worse off if they were non-union.
That's still BS. You are right, the first ask in BK the judge turned down. He worded it as basically you guys need to negotiate more, come up with something, and if you still can't and the company asks me again a second time with these same concessions then I'll have to approve them.
At the end of the day, ALPA made no difference. And remember, the biggest reason 9E ALPA was against this first concessionary contract was because management reset CA rate to year 1 when one upgraded or was downgraded. It bruised their egos so bad, they were willing to toss anything and anyone under the bus to keep their Captain pay as high as possible. A salary cap for Captains from year 18 to 12, yet FOs were screwed down to a 4 year cap! TW's goal is to protect the top of the list, and I've actually heard this from a couple Mesaba guys.
Again, the judge rejected what management's first proposal. My only point is that management would have probably gone for more if they were non-union since they wouldn't need a judge's permission to cut their pay and work rules. What is it you guys don't get about that?