I think even the ALPA guys would willingly admit that there is intense personal loyalty to Moak among most of the old guard who still control the Delta MEC.

I think that hurts us in several ways:
The constructive engagement has gotten out of hand.
Moak favors outsourcing and they can't bring themselves to oppose him on that.
And related to that is the whole thing with more than one pilot group making contracts with Delta Air Lines. Moak didn't even see the need for a simple courtesy call to our MEC before he did that because he knew they would just go along with whatever he decided. Now only Bucking Bar seems to be concerned about that situation but it could end up being a very big deal in the future.
Moak made that decision all on his own and Bill Roberts and the rest of the permanent bureaucracy up there in Herndon have constructed the legal framework and justification for it but I think it is a huge mistake. That decision by Moak could be just as catastrophic as the original ALPA decision to allow outsourcing in the first place.