Originally Posted by
MatchPoint
Originally Posted by
Nevets
Excellent point! And yet you have management mentality when it comes to your pilot compensation. You make a very good case for higher compensation, yet you spew the same F&H propaganda.
That's my multiple business degrees and years of middle management (sales) before I got sick in tired of the rat race and went against by fathers (Ex-Braniff pilot hired back in 1957 and flew at Braniff 1,2 & 3) advice and did an about 180. I fully understand our management’s perspectives, why they do what they do and what they need to maintain to be successful. In my last job my margins were 3x what SkyWest are so I’m very amazed at their success in an industry held down by mainlines thumb and undercut by others who only care about market segment and not profitability.
Ok, that's makes more sense now. Just keep in mind, management would literally pay you half of what they do now if they could. There is a balance somewhere. It's their job to tilt the scale in their direction. It's our collective job to fight and scratch to get to that balance because they are NOT going to give that to you. And frankly, in this profession, without an NMB recognized bargaining agent, you will NEVER be able to reach that balance. Don't confuse that with saying that it means you will always be able to reach that balance with it.
Originally Posted by
Slats
Originally Posted by
Jet87
Uh... Do you have any idea what you are talking about? It's called pro rate or at risk flying. Matchpoint already responded to you but why do you think the EMB 120 has stayed around for so long? Because it makes Skywest money in the pro rate market, so does the 200. It's my belief the pro rate market will get even bigger
Haters gonna hate... They just want to see us fail or get pay severely slashed. Misery loves company right?
For those XJT guys Tony, Nevets ect... Worry about expressjet becoming profitable and stop sand bagging contract negotiations. Get on board with the program that's proven success and profitability...
Personally, I'm not worried about XJT becoming profitable. It's not my job and there isn't really anything I can do about it anyway. I would rather keep the contract we have than to take another concession. If that is not getting on board like you do with your work rules and pay rates, then I would be sandbagging it when I vote no on the concessionary TA.
Originally Posted by
MatchPoint
Originally Posted by
Slats
Haters gonna hate... They just want to see us fail or get pay severely slashed. Misery loves company right?
For those XJT guys Tony, Nevets ect... Worry about expressjet becoming profitable and stop sand bagging contract negotiations. Get on board with the program that's proven success and profitability...
And history has proven you make far more money and are far happier when there's movement and upgrades. Whereas being the highest paid in the subcontractor industry has proven just the opposite.
Like I posted previously, I would rather make $2 less while improving QOL rules and save my company almost $6M/yr. to help them maintain competitiveness than help run my airline into stagnation due to no new contracts, loss of flying and money which could result in bankruptcy. I just don’t understand why anyone would want the latter. Then again our Mgmt. group unlike any other has proven themselves to be very savvy and mostly trust worthy. They also have proven their dedication to SkyWest continued success and profitability.
In addition I also like profitability bonuses over $2 more per hour so we can share in the good times and not hurt my airline during the bad. But then again I do trust the majority of our Mgmt. group, which doesn't mean I don't hold them accountable and check to make sure they crossed their T's and dotted their I's. And I do call them out when they haven't, but that's an intern issue not meant for these boards mainly due to the haters.
The thing is that you can have both! We are on the verge of a hiring spree at the majors. There will be movement, regardless. So why would you settle for less? Also, history had shown that being the lowest paid doesn't mean your airline will be successful. Another point, as for bonuses over pay rate increases, that's all fine and dandy but keep in mind that its just management shifting its risk over to its employees. To me, that is a concession in work rules and QOL. Lastly, you may say that you do hold them accountable and you call them out when they don't cross their Ts and dot their Is, but that doesn't mean anything to management. And that's how they like it.
Originally Posted by
MatchPoint
Originally Posted by
mking84
I have ZERO concern for XJT's profitibility, those decisions are made at a much higher pay grade than mine. Maybe SKYW shouldn't bill the hell out of xjt for services to suck money from the operation? Years of misteps by management installed by st george is why there isnt a profit, it has nothing to do with what im paid. This place feels like it is run by frank lorenzo himself.
That's right because XJT was a highly profitable very successful operation prior to SkyWest purchasing them. Even from 06-08 prior to Continentals Count Chocula schooling both SKW and XJT, XJT was a bleeding operation. What was it, 4-5 years dating back to 06 since XJTs turned a profit? Any they still aren’t today, BTW Inc. doesn’t “bill” XJT, they own them. Blame whoever who wish but your mindset is toxic and sad. You must fully understand the other side of the operation to better your own. But you're incapable because of your negative close minded views.
Originally Posted by
mking84
This place feels like it is run by frank lorenzo himself.
I truly try to reframe from saying things like this and I apologize to all readers and lurkers (excluding this guy) but you must be a childish idiot. Anyone who truly understand Frank, Jerry and Brad can see you're a fool posting out his ass and probably doing it for shock factor. At least I hope otherwise you're worse off than I thought.
ExpressJet was profitable up until day one of the branded operation, which was April 2, 2007. After they shut that down on September 2, 2008, they would have been profitable if it wasn't for Skywest low ball CPA offer as part of the buyout. And keep in mind that they were able to low ball it because they were planning on giving us 16% concessions in order to bring us to parity with average Skywest pilot compensation.
As for the Lorenzo reference, I can only guess that comes from inc management's propensity to whipsaw their own employees against each other, just as Lorenzo did. They are just smarter and better at doing it. It's not a comparison I would make but if you truly understood the other side if the operation, you would understand how that mentality is not unreasonable.
Originally Posted by
Slats
Call me crazy, but I don't see too many CEO's hanging out in crewrooms answering questions and simply chatting with employees asking how they can improve efficiency along with making work a little more enjoyable. Jerry, Chip and gang do so on a regular basis.
Sure, they care about profitability but I also believe they genuinely care about their employees ie, snack packs for crews on tight turns, employee appreciation BBQs, admin who works with you not against you ect.... You'll never really know the culture at OO unless you work here. I'm sorry XJT'ers have this skewed view of how OO operates. Hopefully someday you too will have appreciation towards your place of employment while waiting for the majors to call...
You are right, we don't know. And the reason why is because JA would rather hold whipsaw over our (XJT's) head rather than make us one big happy family. If they genuinely cared about ALL of their employees over profitability, this would be a merger of THREE airlines. Don't fool yourself. They care more about the shareholder than you and I. And they make their decisions accordingly. They can offer measly snack packs and cold and insufficient food every other month but we here at XJT don't always have administration which works with us so I guess will never really know the culture here at XJT. By the way, the fact that our CEO chooses only to visit one of his division's employees in order to answer questions and chatting with us to see how we can improve efficiency as well as making work more enjoyable is very telling. But you guys seem to be blinded by this kool aid to not see the truth of this corporation.