Originally Posted by
Ben Salley
I currently hold 737 CA and held it 5 years ago in 2008. The UAL proposal places me squarely as a nb f/o. I've NEVER been a nb f/o at CAL; so in the status and category criteria, not doh, I'm losing at least 7 years.
Frats,
Ben
Not so fast.....
When you were a new hire, on a stovepiped status and category basis, you were a 737 FO. Just because pilots above you chose to stay in that seat and there were 757 FO slots available in your new hire class, didn't mean that you jumped in seniority ahead of everyone in a 737 FO seat.
Also, on the day of the merger, you were #3,462 out of #4,659 active pilots. This was based on the list your union provided.
Also, on the CAL staffing roster, there were these many of seats available for each position.
777 CAP = 211
767 CAP = 603
737 CAP = 1253
777 FO = 440
767 FO = 839
737 FO = 1292
So when you add them up, in order to get out of the 737 FO status and category you have to be at #3,346 on the list, with everyone below that a 737 FO in a strict stovepipe method.
(211 + 603 + 1253 + 440 + 839 = 3,346)
You were 3,462 and you were in the 737 FO stovepipe, even though you flew as a 767 FO. We had the same at United with guys in the bottom of the seniority list as 767 FOs.
So you actually NEVER left that category. Also remember that we are remaking a list that should have been done in 2010, and so this is a historical event. The final list will have pilots who have retired removed and then all the constructive notice pilots put below everyone.
Also, you had 5 years longevity at the MAD date and the UAL pilots had 12 years. Longevity is a tenet of merger policy as well.
Whatever happened since 2010 is not relevant.