Originally Posted by
MatchPoint
Originally Posted by
Nevets
I don't have a problem with buying rounds with any Skywest pilot. But don't expect me to say anything different than what I'm saying here.
But what is sounds to me is that you are saying that justifying and rationalizing Skywest's treatment of only a certain employee group just because we have exercised our constitutional right to create a union.
It's one thing for a company like UAL to whipsaw two or more separate independent companies against each other. It's ENTIRELY DIFFERENT thing to say that it's okay for a corporation to whipsaw two or more companies they own, control, and operate from the top down! If JA TRULY wanted to make us part of the family, he would have merged all three airlines. He doesn't because he is paid to do what's best for the shareholders only, not about family. That's not to say that the calculation couldn't change where a better business case could be made that what's better for the shareholder is to merge all the airlines. One group being non-union does NOT help that business case and it is perceived that you guys would rather have every other unionized group collectively work and fight for the things that you get for free in order to keep the balance of that equation in keeping you from exercising your constitutional rights.
As for alter ego airlines, like I have said multiple times already, they are smarter than that. That F&H play book has been used enough times now that it would be counter productive. We are not dealing with simple Lorenzo tactics here. There is a whole psychological strategy at play here that your supposed benevolent management pays high consultation/retainer fees. We may be getting out played by them but at least we are aware of what they are trying to do and trying to fight that battle tooth and nail while not being helped out by our fellow brothers, as opposed to being ignorant or conveniently looking the other way while drinking the kool aid.
PS. Doesn't it bother you that while your management is crying poor (which they are purposely overplaying, at best), their expense is partly paying for TWO SEPARATE MANAGEMENT doing exactly the same thing. You want to save them $6 million by not taking a $2/hr raise yet they spend way more than that on duplicating everything it takes to run one airline? This is the kool aid I'm talking about. We here do not tolerate any talk of no pay raises when they spend way more money in order to not give us pay raises. Do you not see what they are doing to both groups?! This on top of all the other issues I've mentioned on this thread starting from the first buyout attempt. So I ask again, are you management or just not aware?
I would be disappointed if you changed your tune just because we’re having a drink.
We want to be well compensated as well but we understand it's far more important to remain competitive. You can claim that our rates don’t matter but all cost add up and since we are their highest paid labor group our raises add up quicker. This is basic mathematics.
And yes I see no reason to have two of everything, I’ve been saying from the beginning we should all merge. The synergies they would gain would more than double their profits. Plus I’d be able to stop commuting and get my ATL domicile back. But…… maybe their ability to control cost by pitting the two airlines against each other more than makes up for the benefits of a merger or minimalizes them. Or maybe they plan to spin XJT down over time. Or they see the militant union mindset of many XJTers as toxic to SkyWest (just a random statement so don’t take offense and go off, I have several friends who are XJT CAs. They're great guys/gals). My point is we can what if the hell out of this but I guarantee you Jerry has a plan and the plan is for the greater good. No one understands how to survive and evolve in this industry better than Jerry.
Again I’m not Mgmt. but I can see myself moving into the training department of whoever I get on with in order to be home every night.
One tidbit you fail to realize is that a large portion, boarding on a majority, of our pilots have come from union carriers like XJT, ASA, RAH, GoJet, Pinnacle, Eagle, etc. They’ve experienced the union side and they prefer the SkyWest way.
You want to remain competitive by not wanting that measly $2 raise yet point out that they are spending money two run two of everything. But then justify it by saying that its probably cheaper two whipsaw XJT pilots against the Skywest pilots inferior total average compensation (while still making a profit, mind you). And they wonder why we are supposedly "militant?" By the way, we were not militant towards our management before Skywest bought us. In fact,we worked very well with them and even voluntarily gave them concessions after the lowball from Skywest caused the company to start losing money.
So you are ok as a Skywest pilot letting JA do all this because he knows how to survive and might have a plan to spin down XJT?
Again, is it no wonder why many pilots don't like you, Skywest pilots, and your attitudes when you are willing to justify your CEO's decision in favor of one set of his employees against another set if his employees. It's all rationalized and justified in your minds while others suffer compared to you.
PS. Your welcome, again, for known crew member.