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Old 07-07-2013, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot View Post
I am in a similar situation and am making the jump. You have two huge things going for you: You are current and you have a retirement to cushion the first year.

Lots of good advice above about getting yourself ready. I would follow it and have a backup plan (I have some other non-flying irons in the fire in case it doesn't work out for whatever reason).
Don't let the bitter "there is no pilot shortage, no off the street hiring, have to wait for the flow throughs" crowd jade your decision. I know a dude who went on terminal two weeks ago and got hired by United the same week. He had minimal networking, no interview prep (he said he regretted that one), and less hours than you. Not saying that it is going to be wide open, but if you put some effort into it, there are jobs out there.
TY for the reply. I have one friend who was recently hired by United, but he is Mr. Network and a former Thunderbird. Obvious choice to be selected in the 1st round of hiring so I really couldn't use him as an example. I've "heard" about quite a few people NOT hired by United -- none I knew 1st hand but just friends of friends type thing you hear around the bar.

As for prep, I just started on my ATP with Sheppard and plan to use an interview service.

Originally Posted by Lobaeux View Post
I made the jump, decided to retire right after the 20 year mark, rather than face the 179 day non flying gig, OR the 365 non flying gig. It's a tough decision, but remember you've got a retirement check behind you, that's key!

I can't stress networking enough. Nearly everyone that applies at an airline is current and qualified, with enough hours and training to be hired. So what sets you apart from all the other guys out there with their applications already in? You gotta network, go to job fairs, look up old buddies online, LinkedIn, Facebook.

If you don't have your ATP yet, my recommendation is call up Higher Power and use your GI Bill (if available) to get the ATP/737 type rating. Learning the way of civilian training will help when you get hired. Don't worry about the supposed bias against guys with no time 737 types, it's explained by using your GI Bill to get an ATP. It didn't stop me, and was just an easily answerable question during my interviews.

Get some interview prep! I can't stress that enough! ECC is who I used, best money I spent in search of a job.

Get your ducks in a row if you plan on relocating after you retire. I didn't, now my wife is prepping the house to sell while I'm down in training.

You've got two huge advantages that a lot of guys don't and that's your retirement benefits and the leadership/training you've earned and worked hard to get in the military. Airlines covet those. Also, don't worry about the low hours, don't get discouraged about that. There's no real way you're going to compete with the civilian guys in the number of flight hours. 3000 hours is average for a military guy, and that's who you'll be racked and stacked against at most airlines, other military applicants. Things that will lift you above the other military guys are leadership positions (DO, ADO, Chief of something), Instructor/Evaluator and any schools you can list (AIS, Safety school, etc).

As far as logbook, I took my original green folder to my interviews. Every airline I interviewed at had no problem with it, and knew exactly where to look in my ARMS folder. Don't make a copy of it, no one wants to look at a copy. Eventually, you'll want to transfer those hours to a logbook, I used LogBook Ten, but there's others out there.

It's an exciting time, I know how you feel, but its also a little intimidating. Let the younger guys in the military have their chance at leadership, you've served your country, time to pass the mantle on.

Good luck!
How much is a 737 type rating supposed to help at airlines that aren't SW? I've been mulling this move for years and have carefully kept a few SW guys in mind for the day I finally get out. Only the game changed and SW probably won't be hiring during the window where I'll be looking for a job (and even if they were, my best friend @ SW told me to expect 19 years in the right seat if they were to start hiring). Bummer since I've got a few friends there and I like their domiciles, but "good" that I thought I could save a few grand and not bother with the type rating before my interview . Are you saying the 737 type rating would be helpful with other airlines or would it be a large waste of money?

In regard to flight records, I know I could just ask at the OSS but are you allowed to check those out for interviews before you retire? I've never had a need to do anything other than my annual reviews and PCS with them.
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