Originally Posted by syd111

No I wasn't saying that an entire country of pilots don't posses good stick and rudder skills I was asking if you had trained any in Korea.

I am saying that if the pilot had good stick and rudder skills the plane would not have gone down in this manner regardless if he had a fight with his wife ect.

What if the non flying pilot had a fight with his wife? I guess we don't know any of that at this point but your original point made it sound like the entire problem was crm, I am glad you teach the class I guess but regardless of there crm training I feel that a sound aircraft should not be crashed in this matter regardless of the crm training.

At the same time I fully understand that crm certainly could have prevented this just don't look at it as the only cause.