all the above^^^ I was a regular in the 90's in both the DC3,and the CV340, doing the on demand automotive freight thing, 5000 feet was plenty for the 3, but a tight fit for the 340 gross loaded in the warm months, those R2800s bellowing at 59.5" with ADI water injection, pulling 2400 horses a side,watching the city slide by beneath us as we eased up and away into another hard days/night.