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Old 07-26-2013 | 07:24 AM
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Rogue24
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
I agree its unrealistic to expect an airline to fly the ocean at a loss just to preserve jobs.
(but isn't that exactly what Air France and Alitalia are doing?)

I digress.
How well is that working out for France or Air France?

I digress...

I just want to see ALPA show a little spine for the first time in a decade. The RLA and the NMB will not be involved. Our contract is signed and in effect.
How so? The only point in time where ALPA could open the TAJV is if there is an addition, we take flying out that someone desires to have negotiations with,(there is a leveling formula if this is done), or if they are not in compliance at the end of the cure period. Until then it is part of the PWA, and not out of compliance even if it is "trending" that way.

On the Pacific, a pithy Fifth Freedom Code Share agreement is all that keeps 316 weekly slots as a floor. RA stated in the earnings call that NRT is stable and the growth is from Transpac additions. Were is your leverage to show you the money, with a steel spine?

We need to cost out the damages we are suffering as a result of giving up our scope clause and then make management pay us. I am sick and tired of the continuous small modifications to our contract that allow just a little bit more outsourcing every time and us getting nothing in return.
You say deal with it through a grievance.
The last time we settled a scope grievance Moak gave up on the 76 seater numerical limit in exchange for nothing except "clarifying" the language. (we'll get 'em next time) And then that language was superseded in the new contract anyway. That's bull****. Its that kind of "constructive engagement" that really makes ALPA look like a branch of management.

ENFORCE MY CONTRACT !! And if management comes to us claiming that changed circumstances absolutely dictate some modifications, then SHOW ME THE MONEY !

You think that DALPA is not tolling the costs? GMAB.

Any grievance would come from the MEC on this one, and if the Chair tried to do it on his own, I do not think that would end well, alas if may be a new chair and diffinately a new MEC since we are talking 2015. Every base has elections that will put new people in except ATL, DTW and SLC, they just got elected.