C'mon Johnso. You guys dodged a nuclear tip harpoon on that one and don't try to diminish it because some FAA types did it in the sim too. There was a Delta jet that hit a seawall in Boston killing almost all aboard that I remember reading about. (I'm a big believer in studying past accidents to prevent future ones.) Again, I don't think we here have a leg to stand on when looking down our noses at others with respect to accidents. We may however be a little more critical of them and their culture when it comes to accountability. A cactus friend of mine told me over drinks and catching up that they were blaming their low approach on bright lights in their eyes. Hmmmm. . .