Originally Posted by
AtlCSIP
Originally Posted by
Nevets
Yes, they can do a fine job by not asking for concessions (ever) but especially since they gave themselves pay raises and also especially since they knew they were. No, I don't agree it's their job to ask us for concessions regardless of anything. That's why I say it's a lack if leadership. That's their job as management, to lead.
Why do you continue to make excuses and rationalize their request for concessions? State of the industry? We were operationally profitable and the whole corporation has been profitable all along!
I have never made excuses or rationalized their request for concessions. Show me once where I did that. You have never answered the question. Do you/we deserve a raise or not? If you do, why do you?
Yes, you rationalized it by saying they took a pay cut on one year, and by saying they take their job home with them, and by saying they provided the capital (not true) and we are labor. Those are all rationalization a (arguments) for their pay raises. That's what you've been posting all along. I get it, even though you do, you don't agree it's rationalizations.
As for our pay raises, yes of course we deserve them. We deserve them for many reasons. One reason is that they for pay raises and we didn't.
Originally Posted by
AtlCSIP
Originally Posted by
ross9238
I think that the above is flawed only because the other carriers who have accepted those rates were under bankruptcy. So far that is not the case and I do hope that it continues down that road. To ask for concessions at this point has had only one outcome. For no reason, you have now upset the labor group to a point where they will refuse to sign onto anything that you produce.
I don't, or claim to know what the end game of Inc. is but hypocrisy will never win any souls.
Please understand that I don't agree with the tactic, but given the state of the industry and management's responsibility to the shareholders, I don't think we could have made it through this without being asked for concessions. Again, I do not agree with the tactic, just pointing out why I believe they did it.
You do understand that we made a profit right? And that not only have they been giving themselves raises, they are paying for two management teams and two if everything to run the airlines. And it's their job to ask us for pay cuts when they can get coat cuts from other places? How is that them doing their job? Ridiculous! There you go with rationalizations.