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Scoop
So how does this make me wrong? Are you denying that the Status-quo regarding greesn-slips changed? We now had had no "status quo." Status-quo is what shut down the no Green-slip campaign earlier. DALPA had another chance and choose not to pursue it. Maybe the reason was to avoid a double furlough as you say above but I doubt they would have been able to furlough without guys flying green-slips.
I was furloughed, then recalled and hundreds were still furloughed. I remember tons of Greesn-slips going out this time and DALPA was OK with it.
Any other furloughed guys remember Green-slips going out at this time?
Its really not worth arguing at this point. Most realize that DALPA will never, ever admit that it could have actually done something just a little bit better .............ever.
It must be nice to be perfect.
Scoop
My recollection around the time I was called back is that guys were complaining GS would dry up because of recalls. I'm not 100% sure anymore as to which LOA enabled it, but I seem to remember the summer of my return is when I got my thunder rolling. Now, setting aside the question of whether it's more OK for a returning guy to GS in these circumstances (it probably isn't), the climate I recall was all about the GS.
In the future, the form if furlough mitigation we need is actually to prevent GS AND WS flying above some threshold (ALV or your line award). Would protect us from the company and ourselves.
How does this fit into current events, anyway? What we did then was disgusting, but it wasn't done against the will of the group. We all know it's wrong to have ANY extra flying during furloughs, but we never ask for it to be negotiated into a contract. I would bet the % of pilots that ask for meaningful furlough protections in their top priorities is probably less than 15%.
I think Alfa is incorrect in downplaying GS availability during that time (but I'm going by personal experience, and maybe he has better data). I think the true story is probably more about ALPA faithfully representing the will of the pilot group. Which reveals the ugly side of the group, not the union.