Originally Posted by
johnso29
I NEVER said a portion of my dues don't go to National. And that's not what we're debating. YOU said money isn't controlled on a local level. I proved you wrong.
Your dues go to Herndon. Herndon doles out the money based on a budget. If your MEC goes under budget and wants to give back, that is WHOLLY different than WHERE your dues do. You know that. That's why you have guys who are wanting to split off because their dues money is not all spent on them. At IBT the dues go to the LOCAL and they only send .22%of base dues to the International. The rest stays with the Local to use as they see fit.
Oh yes, 7 years past the amendable date is fantastic improvements. And GoJet is really hitting it out of the park. Maybe you saw what Comair made? ASA? ExpressJet? Air Wisconsin? And stop putting words in my mouth. That's the SECOND time you've done it. I NEVER called GoJet pilots scabs, & I NEVER called Regional pilots substandard citizens. There you go with that broad brush again.
GoJet is now in Section 6 for the first amendment to a contract. Care to enlighten us about what your carriers FIRST contract looked like?
Comair? How many of those guys got offered jobs before you shut them down? Like the rest of your regionals will eventually. And if you want to talk pay rates, which regional pays the best rates in the industry right now?
No, I did not say YOU called them substandard, nor did I say YOU called them scabs. (Getting a bit defensive there, huh?) But I CAN tell you for a FACT that since the then "commuters" and now "regionals" came into ALPA, they were always looked down on. I was there and watched it happen. Just like DAL gleefully taking EAL planes and refusing to interview or hire a single EAL pilot until over 6 years later. Perhaps you recall the 2006 BOD where the voting representation was set up so that they could never...even if they had the numbers...have the votes to override the legacy carriers?
Well, you heard him wrong. Or he didn't know his own pay rate. On 7/1/2012 a 12 yr 767-300ER CA made $196.52. Starting 1/1/2013 his rate jumped to $213.22. Don't believe me? Then see for yourself.
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So now you're denying what you said?
I would think the phrase "I don't know enough about that." would be fairly self explanatory. And there ya go again putting words in my mouth. Can you quote where I stated some pilots are better then others? I didn't think so.
Well, it's clear IBT has failed to do that in many instances. As has USAPA.
Let's talk about the last one while we're at it. How's the contract going for Evergreen? 747-400's...what's the pay there? Top of the scale? How about North American? In bankruptcy, ALPA walked away from them. That was after the IBT Airline Division Director refused to agree to a whipsaw contract there (and ATI) and the ALPA President said "come on over and I'll sign it!" Gee, a union President AGREEING TO a contract that whipsaws pilot groups. Radical!
How about Atlas? For over 5 years they got jerked around on trying...they begged for ALPA to end the stupidity at the ExBd and get a deal done. The President refused...and because of that, they left on their own and went to IBT. How's their contract? And their profit sharing? I believe it was about 18% of W-2 last year.
ALPA could have kept Atlas. Growing airline and a hell of a lot more financially stable than most...meaning a LOT of dues revenue. They were told that. Told what the growth would be. And every time they were told what needed to be done, ALPA did the opposite.
So at the end, we're back to square 1. ALPA lost carriers, and raided others. They begged USAPA to come back and USAPA isn't remotely interested. Same with SWAPA (btw...how's that DFR suit by AirTran going?) They screwed the TWA pilots and then screwed themselves in the lawsuit. Same with the one by the senior UAL pilots.
What really stinks is that I love a lot of the staff. Hard working, focused on taking care of pilots. But the management of the place has become a mirror image of the very thing we all fought for years in airline managements. And that stinks.