Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
Your dues go to Herndon. Herndon doles out the money based on a budget. If your MEC goes under budget and wants to give back, that is WHOLLY different than WHERE your dues do. You know that. That's why you have guys who are wanting to split off because their dues money is not all spent on them. At IBT the dues go to the LOCAL and they only send .22%of base dues to the International. The rest stays with the Local to use as they see fit.
How long will we continue to go in circles with this? I never denied that a portion of my dues went to National.
Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
GoJet is now in Section 6 for the first amendment to a contract. Care to enlighten us about what your carriers FIRST contract looked like?
Delta has been in operation for 80+ years. So I have no idea. Apples to oranges though. The industry was regulated, & a in a much different environment. Plenty of better paid CRJ700 operators were in existence when GoJet started. Teamsters accepted GoJet pilots with open arms, clearly condoning the knife they stuck right in the backs of TSA pilots. Unity indeed.
Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
Comair? How many of those guys got offered jobs before you shut them down? Like the rest of your regionals will eventually. And if you want to talk pay rates, which regional pays the best rates in the industry right now?
I didn't shut Comair down. I'm a line pilot. I have no input in that decision. Does IBT control those things? To answer your other question, it's not a pilot group represented by IBT. Air Wisconsin likely leads the 50 seat race, with ASA taking the 70/90 seat pay.
Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
No, I did not say YOU called them substandard, nor did I say YOU called them scabs. (Getting a bit defensive there, huh?) But I CAN tell you for a FACT that since the then "commuters" and now "regionals" came into ALPA, they were always looked down on. I was there and watched it happen. Just like DAL gleefully taking EAL planes and refusing to interview or hire a single EAL pilot until over 6 years later. Perhaps you recall the 2006 BOD where the voting representation was set up so that they could never...even if they had the numbers...have the votes to override the legacy carriers?
Here's what you said:
Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
Oh yeah, they're substandard citizens to you.
And where's your proof of FACT that regional pilots are looked down upon? Once again, you're painting with a broad brush. I have NEVER seen a DAL CA deny a jumpseat to ANY regional pilot. EVER. In FACT, every single one I have flown with has been more then accomodating. Just last week I witnessed a DAL pilot take the flight attendant jumpseat, so that a regional pilot could get in the cockpit jumpseat. I myself have given up a jumpseat to a regional pilot because I had one reserved on the later flight. I've watched DAL Captains put THEIR bag in a overhead, so that a regional guy could keep his bag in the flight deck because he was two legging it and needed to bolt once we were chocked. Looked down upon indeed.
I noticed you confidently skipped over this item.
Well, you heard him wrong. Or he didn't know his own pay rate. On 7/1/2012 a 12 yr 767-300ER CA made $196.52. Starting 1/1/2013 his rate jumped to $213.22. Don't believe me? Then see for yourself.
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Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
Let's talk about the last one while we're at it. How's the contract going for Evergreen? 747-400's...what's the pay there? Top of the scale? How about North American? In bankruptcy, ALPA walked away from them. That was after the IBT Airline Division Director refused to agree to a whipsaw contract there (and ATI) and the ALPA President said "come on over and I'll sign it!" Gee, a union President AGREEING TO a contract that whipsaws pilot groups. Radical!
Evergreen? You mean that terrible cargo operator that ALPA is working on saving? The one with the owner whom is more concerned with building water parks?
Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
How about Atlas? For over 5 years they got jerked around on trying...they begged for ALPA to end the stupidity at the ExBd and get a deal done. The President refused...and because of that, they left on their own and went to IBT. How's their contract? And their profit sharing? I believe it was about 18% of W-2 last year.
Atlas has a decent contract. So what is that for IBT? One?
Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
ALPA could have kept Atlas. Growing airline and a hell of a lot more financially stable than most...meaning a LOT of dues revenue. They were told that. Told what the growth would be. And every time they were told what needed to be done, ALPA did the opposite.
That's a shame.
Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
So at the end, we're back to square 1. ALPA lost carriers, and raided others. They begged USAPA to come back and USAPA isn't remotely interested. Same with SWAPA (btw...how's that DFR suit by AirTran going?) They screwed the TWA pilots and then screwed themselves in the lawsuit. Same with the one by the senior UAL pilots.
ALPA begged USAPA to come back? I'm sure they did since USAPA is nothing more then a dysfunctional disaster that is anchoring the profession down. Clearly USAPA is doing outstanding on their own. $86 an hour MAX for a A320 FO. A law firm that bled them so bad that they had to fire them. Legacy FOs making more then their CAs. Millions of dollars lost in wages and retirement because they can't get their act together. Yes. OUTSTANDING work!
As to the lawsuits you mentioned, it's simply people that are money grabbing. They elected reps, agreed to a process, and then refused to accept what they agreed to. Didn't get what they wanted, so they're taking their toys and going home. It's never good enough for some people.
Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
What really stinks is that I love a lot of the staff. Hard working, focused on taking care of pilots. But the management of the place has become a mirror image of the very thing we all fought for years in airline managements. And that stinks.
I'm sure IBT is completely rid of corrupt people, and encounters zero conflict and disagreement.