As usual Carl no useful information from you. I am not complaining just pointing out that having to login twice to a no back bone union website is pointless tell me mr carl how is there a street captain on the Saab. You guys think the company dosen't read the union forum or get all the *****ing of the conference calls? There are always a few sellouts in every bunch. That is all. Just facts. As soon as you have better information let me know.