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Old 09-07-2013 | 01:28 PM
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hitimefurl
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
1) Agree on the "voting for everything". Don't understand how that's a negative. I do feel we've been asked to participate too little. If the idea behind constructive engagement is that we get more gains, in a more timely manner, but in smaller increments, I'd like to decide for myself as to whether the quids and quos balance out.

2) As far as the dues go, I don't see the point of paying up to .5% more, but if it was a great product, maybe. What's more worrisome to me, in terms of finances, is how vulnerable this smaller group would be to someone landing a legal punch.

I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that the DPA is very focused on ALPA lawsuits, and the insurance (re-insurance?) issue, to portray a huge liability hanging over ALPA's head. It appears that ALPA has this covered under current dues, which would ultimately be lower.

So, if you get convinced that you need to fear ALPA because of DFR suits, out of the ALPA ship, you might stop to wonder whether it's really sinking, and ascertain the seaworthiness of what you're jumping into.

What happens if someone sues DPA, and lands a punch?

I recall APA got sued over a sick-out, and had to be really, really nice to AMR to get out from the ensuing judgment (I recall something in the $40 million range).

3) One thing that is absolutely bizarre, in Hitmefurl's list, is putting the bar at 25% of a block to get a resolution in, vs. simple majority at a meeting. If you didn't want the membership to exert influence, that would be a great firewall.
1. I'm willing to discuss voting on everything, but just making it the DPA and saying people will vote when they don't vote today is a nice thought. It will take time and will extend our timeline.

2. It is a concern. The 1999 $45 million APA lawsuit over the Reno Air seniority list integration (another theme slow down went all the way to the Supreme Court. The nice thing is that AMR "forgave" the last $26 Million in 2003 which resulted in a TA for their open 1997 contract.

Independent APA contracts? Working off a 1997 CBA that wasn't updated until the equivalent of a 9/11 concessionary TA in 2003 with baked in $26 million penalty, opened early in 2004 still not done due to 1113.

3. 25% of an entire block. When was the last time you saw 25% of an LEC do anything? This is a serious roadblock to resolutions that doesn't exist today and has a higher threshold to pass after it's submitted. An improvement?

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