Agreed.

The question someone needs to ask themselves is "are you willing to BET that any certification drive will be successful (which it hasn't during the past what, 4 years now?) OR do you get involved now and try to get change going?".

I'll say it again: "Time Value of Leadership". Get involved and get small changes made NOW which add up in the end. Versus something that will probably never happen, and now 5 years down the road you have bubkis and you're still ****ed off.

Personally, I'd jump in the fray, so I'd at least have some street cred and bragging rights that I TRIED.

Nu