In other words if no one gives in to management, the planes will go where they would have anyhow, lowest bidder. So don't concede anything, the lowest bidder is higher today than will be tomorrow if anyone gives into management. PSA TA guarantees pay cuts for only one CRJ 900by 2016. It is clear you are being used to lower the bar further so management goes to the other group for more cuts to match you. No one gives in, simple. Want to fly big jets get on your computer and fly.