@gpdballin, lol yea because I can't think of any other instance where you would do ground refrence manuvers in a seminole, or any twin engine aircraft, I did my first flight towards my MEI Monday, its been over a year since i've flown the Seminole and my steep turns were definitely trash, but thats what pratice is for. @TOGA9, The only CFI rating I got is my CFII for now. Im hoping to knock my MEI and CFI out within the next month so I can go somewhere and start flying. Im ready!!!