Originally Posted by
pagey
I'M STILL A NO, but no matter what this situation sucks for PSA, regardless of the outcome.
I just wanted to quote myself here seeing as most of you clearly didn't read my whole post....
Originally Posted by
450knotOffice
You may think it's a fact, but that doesn't make it true. If all regional pilot groups from here on out just say no, then the race to the bottom will eventually be stopped. There is a dwindling supply of pilots willing and able to work for the Regional airlines. Eventually, supply and demand will kick in.
This makes no sense. I'm not sure what FACT you are referring to but I am talking about the FACT that Airways blatantly said during these negotiations that mesa was next up if we turned down this TA. I am also talking about the FACT that the pilot groups at mesa or republic will not get a chance to vote on anything.
Originally Posted by
Gofish
God help us.
Its evident that you will sacrifice pay and benefits while inflation picks away at your abrogated contract for the next decade. For what? The glory of a 900? So DAY can continue to call the shots and violate your CBA?
The fear and self loathing is simply nauseating.
I quoted myself(from the post that you quoted but obviously didn't read) at the top of this post...just throwing that out there.....again
Originally Posted by
BoilerUP
Yup, Republic is going to stand up a CRJ operation just to take airplanes that PSA could have gotten if the pilots had just BOHICA'd.
Because RJET's Q400 operation is currently running so smoothly and their previous CRJ experience worked out so well for them.
And Mesa...how do you figger they are going to staff those E-Jets they just got for United, let alone a bunch of additional CRJs for Airways?
You are absolutely correct. This is something I considered while voting.
Originally Posted by
Geardownflaps30
You do understand that both those companies are in contract negotiations and are trying to RAISE the bar from what they have, not LOWER it...
Yes, but they clearly aren't going well. Republic is iced currently I believe. At the end of the day it will most likely be a while before either of these carriers can "raise the bar." Also you can't tell me that Airways does not know, or consider that negotiations are ongoing at these places. They will get a fixed cost agreement to operate these acft, and management will use it as leverage during said negotiations.
Originally Posted by
astec
Do you realize by passing this TA, you end up making less money? How can you feed yourself and family while making less money.
Going to give you the obligatory, please read my ENTIRE post. I took the liberty of quoting myself at the top of this one for you.
That being said, this TA will not effect me negatively until 2021 when I hit year 12. If these acft are not growth and I remain an FO I will make just as much at year 4 pay(new cap) as I would at year 6 pay(old cap)due to an increase in our blended rate from larger acft. The insurance increases in my situation, while a consideration, is negligible.
Originally Posted by
BrewCity
So what happens if your pilots vote in this TA and then your 200s go away?
For some(not me) a sticking point was that this TA would make PSA viable and, most likely guaranteed to stay around for the duration of their career due to operating larger acft. Staying a majority 50 seat carrier will limit our sustainability.
Not everyone is voting on the career progression portion of this TA because it simply doesn't make sense for them to go to mainline at age 55 or 60. It is important to them to actually have a place to work for 5 or 10 more years though.
Originally Posted by
DryMotorBoatin
Actually that's the rumor that is going around air Wisconsin right now. If this ta passes, their -200s are coming here when the -900s show up.
This is a new one for me but is probably garbage IMO. Any benefit Airways gained from our lower cost would be negated by having a significantly more expensive carrier add 35 200s.
Originally Posted by
Mason32
To tell your FO's that the TA will help them upgrade faster is an outright lie. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Last, you guys have a contract already. Your company is very profitable. If you can't get raises and better work rules under those conditions... then when will you ever? Taking concessions outside of section six, for a profitable company is the most foolish thing I've ever heard of a pilot group doing. Please do not come to a mainline job and infect our pilot group with weak willed pilots with no fortitude to hold the line.
It's not a lie. It might turn out to not be true, but he isn't lying because the truth of the matter is that we don't know(something to consider while voting).
I agree with your other paragraph here. The last sentence though I do not. I mentioned the "hold the line" thing in my original post so I'll point you back to it. Also "holding the line" at a mainline carrier is a completely different ballgame than at the FFD level. You know why it is so I'm not going to elaborate. Apples to oranges.