Originally Posted by
Birddog
Sorry for the lengthy reply. Just trying to cover every base. Also, sorry if you felt like I was "crapping" on you. I don't look at this as a CAL vs UAL issue. Granting these displacement rights affects ALL pilots. It appears a pilot in the high 7000's in seniority numbers received a 767 Captain award on the 14-02D bid, a lateral. That position is now unavailable to ALL pilots for some time who want adjust to a post-ISL landscape with a Vacancy bid.
I don't want to take ALL the advancements for the last 3 years. I want the TPA, UPA, SFO MOU, and SLI A&O followed as they were written and intended. Remember, the SLI is from a October 2010 outlook. The 14-02 & 14-02A Bids wouldn't have existed then, the 14-02D bids shouldn't be created now.
What the S-CAL Merger Committee is describing above is a Relative Seniority ISL award using an October 2010 snapshot. I'm not going to argue that's it's fair, but it is reasonable. It's also what every S-CAL 737 FO was preaching to me when I was jumpseating to work back in 2010 and 2011.
Yes, we can rest because per the agreements the EKN panel still has jurisdiction over the issue of granting displacements.
Dogg
I understand where you are coming from Birddog and I agree with most of what you said above. The only difference I see is that the 14-02D bid awards are not "blockers" if the company displaces large amounts of pilots, which looking at the 14-02V bids it looks like they might. I would have a lot less angst about it if the company agreed not to displace anyone. I don't see that happening, but I can hope.
I also don't think you were one of the ones "crapping" on me. We were having a reasonable discussion when others have to make it a us vs. them slugfest. That's the nature of the anonymous forum though and it goes with the territory. I can take it, but I will dish it out as well.
Anyway, thanks for the reasonable replies. See you on the line.