My point was no where does it officially say that we are losing our planes by the end of '14 which was the backbone for the reasoning in your post. I could quote the union email that says the end of '15, but then you would rebute. I can see it is impossible to post here without someone getting argumentative and defensive. But since your objective is to "stir things up" I'll bow out and won't give in to this nonsense. Carry on.