I see you're the campaign chairman for commuters....and that's OK.. but you're reading more into what I wrote than is actually on the page. Again, I stand by every word of what I wrote, and it's based on my experience every bit as much as you are basing your opinion on yours.

I'm here to offer a counter point to your broad brush strokes because commuting may not work out to be a cake walk for some of those considering employment with Hawaiian. It's not necessarily the same as commuting on the mainland because it's a minimum 5 1/2 hour commute, and in fact FAR 117 tries to address some of the time zone changes issues. As for some of the people you've mentioned, I've flown with many of them, and some of them have from time to time remarked about the downside of commuting...they accept it....they choose to....and again that's OK. And in case you missed it, the SEA base closure and LAX before it created HUGE animosity and frustration...because it turned guys into commuters.

I never said it can't be done, or shouldn't be done. I have said that if you want to get the most out of flying for HAL, consider living in the islands. I will say if you join Hawaiian, don't expect the airline to adjust to you by accommodating special needs of commuters...it's not a right.....it's a privilege and there's a commensurate responsibility....to show up well rested and ready for the duty that follows. (I know you will do so...this is not an attempt to impune your professionalism.)

I think it's time to give this one a rest.

For the record, yes, 35 years + in 121, on the mainland and in the islands.