Something no one has mentioned but I think is also a large factor. The list shrinks every month (226 total last month, 224 total this month) and this has been the case for several months, all while running at least one class a month. They can't hire as fast as we loose guys. That's not good for anyone, FO upgrades, the company, growth expectations etc. I believe the new management coming in wants and is attempting to right the ship but they have two major problems on their hands. This company must grow to become profitable, however is unable to even entertain the idea of growth right now do to not being able to hire and keep guys. I hate to say but this may be the dagger in the heart to the guys wanting upgrade. You can't upgrade if you can't fill the right seat...