What's ludicrous is that 8% was your OPENER! What will you actually get, 4%? Rumor has it that Webb has contacted our EB and said that they are close to getting a deal done with Fred. I honestly hope you guys get a great contract but with your low opener on pay you didn't leave much room for movement to get what you want in other areas. I hope you guys are more unified than last time when Fred threatened to shut the place down and you guys caved.