Originally Posted by
ATCsaidDoWhat
One one flight? Do tell us more.
One of quite a few. Yet we managed (Flt. and Cabin Crew) found the right airports, and RUNWAY.
As Atlas pilots, I know they have been in some real crapholes and crap conditions as well. So don't pat yourself on the back too hard.
Yeah we've all been in crap holes from sand box locations to Africa. At least in those necks of the world, little chance of landind at the wrong airport as they are rather scarce.
I suspect you have no real insight or facts about what happened unless you have a direct line to the crew. Otherwise you are like everyone else...reading the funnies and armchair quarterbacking.
Other than incompasitation by both cremembers, I can't understand how one with in a modern jet with operable Navs, Comms, ATC radar for assistance, if vectors are requested, and thorough briefings could land at the wrong airport. You know, ATC, if in doubt, TOGA is always available during the approach. No TOGA? Push the thrust levers forward, get away from the ground, find a piece of the sky to hold. Catch ones breath, regroup, and rebrief.
Which means that your pronouncements are bilge. You don't know what the union...or the company will do. Sounds like despite the fact that there was no damage or injury, you want scalps. Pretty sad. An opportunity exists for a teaching event and some like you decree via keyboard.
I agree ATC. I too would like an honest account as too the links in the chain that broke which lead to loss of situational awareness, ultimate reliance on following the magenta line. Not to air one's dirty laundry, but what others flying modern aged GPS, FMC equipped jets can do to maintain awareness of the situation and location.
That's why the industry has programs like ASAP. Everyone realized that pilots ARE human and errors DO happen. And instead of your heads on pikes approach, it's better to find out if common threads exist (like multiple similar events at these airports over the years) and if the common thread can be defined, how to fix it.
As for ASAP? If your company has a good ERC, and an understanding POI, then it can be better than the old NASA report. I've been on the equivelent of ERCs in Europe. Some hid behind the apron strings of such programs rather than utilizing them for their full potential.
I'd also suspect that a company like Atlas, who operates in more hairy places than you, understands this and is less likely to throw people under the bus like you are.
ATC, my career biographer, you are not. Some day we can compare notes about the 6 continents we've flown in and out of, and look back and wonder how we survived despite ourselves.
Anyway ATC... Hopefully this recent event will help us and those who we both fly with maintain proper crew disciplines and situational awareness.
Safe journeys ATC