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Old 11-26-2013 | 01:27 PM
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One hundred and forty post and still no smoking gun on Boeing colluding to provide some help so Emirates or any another foreign airline can be get improper access to US routes. Presumably the recent 5th freedom rights that Emirates sought and received to operate MXP-JFK are a major part driving this paranoia. That "right" was granted by the Italians for reasons that only they can answer, as it appears their home carrier is the most likely to be (adversely) affected. No Italian bashing here, as best as I can discern, maybe we need to look elsewhere for our villains?

Even if we assume Carl's right that Boeing is promising access to US (domestic?) or Emirates is threatening cancellations of jet orders unless they get increase access, they still have to win the business from US consumers. Unless US laws are changed, I don't see cabotage as a real threat to US airlines. Direct service between the US and DXB or another UAE port is reality and any US air carrier can certainly compete directly with EK on those routes. As best as I can tell, two US airlines fly two routes to DXB, one with some sort of connection to Doha. Emirates is flying to 8 US cities, competing with United on the IAD-DXB route. Due to the location of these Middle Eastern Hubs, very little US international traffic is directly at risk is US to India traffic. Not without consequence but still small potatoes. I think the Indian carriers have more at risk than any US airline.

Is the MXP-JFK 5th freedom what's creating the heartburn? As a poster way back early, pointed out, just compete with them, do as good or better job providing a service the customers with pay for and EK will be no threat.

There are issues with Emirates that warrant scrutiny, but intrigue with Boeing is a red herring. Look at their duty days, pilot pushing, non union (UAE) laws. Consider cost advantages and secret deals on fuel pricing, landing fees and handling costs. Maybe here you can fault the un level paying field that the ALPA white paper alludes to.

Until Carl or anyone else can show collusion between Boeing and EK, its just slander without good cause. Some aide to some congressmen trash talk is not proof of anything.
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