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Old 11-27-2013 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
……….. this is not about a service differential. It's about whether we will sit back and watch our laws be changed/subverted due to influence peddling.

Carl
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
You are ignoring the effect of governance. Airlines and air power thrived for a near century in the United States because no oher Country threw as much money, infastructure and favorable legislation at that fledgling industry. Air Mail Contracts, airport building, the CAB protecting routes, the transfer of technologies and manufacturing from the military to civillian use, military contracts which paid for the development of the first jet airliners. ...


………..The Dubair Air Show was a grand stage for economic extortion. Has anyone really looked at whether the ME can absorb so much capacity? Are airlines threatening the cancellation of orders that they're going to cancel anyway?
As if Lee Moak was reading this thread ALPA national has just put out a blast implying what you speak.

Unless you honestly believe the UAE will be able to leverage (these) aircraft orders into a cabotage victory for its carriers, than the most they can hope for is 5th freedom assess to (non UAE) markets. that has happened, so far with the Italian government's complicity, I'm not sure if the "rights" work both directions without the consent of the other party.

I too am troubled by the huge amount of lift these airlines in the UAE are purchasing and what they really think they can do with this lift. Several markets are ripe for the picking with a hub in the Middle East; Asia-Europe, Australia-Europe, Europe-Africa seem the most logical for a traveler to consider flying through DXB or DOH. My understanding is Qantas has already taken a big hit on their European traffic. The US, on the other hand, really only has the Indian market at risk for through service competition. Are we threatened by direct UAE service to the US? Do you believe that service to be ours?

That leaves the 5th freedom threat, like the Milan-NYC service already mentioned. Time will tell if "The Sheik's" threats and influence (though Boeing) will open up doors between Europe and the US that have been the domain of US and European airlines.
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