Deahhead, Way, way back in the day... Ron Allen (the less gifted RA) refused to hire and the 727 SO position was flogged worse than the skinny guy in the slave galley. Guys were assigned trips enroute, in the jetway, at the bottom of the airstairs as they tried to escape and in the employee parking lot. I do not exaggerate (although I'm the parking lot thing didn't happen too much.) The bow wave these guys amassed was huge and eventually screwed away by ALPA in a side letter/agreement. (Bow wave was where your time went over 70hrs.) There might be a very few guys left that experienced that but I would guess most are retired or dead.