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Old 12-15-2013 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Redeyz
An engineering grad and I were discussing the likelihood of a multi-engine transport drone/airplane.

We are both airline pilots that fly the 757/767. Obviously, this airplane would never be retrofitted in large numbers of aircraft to be an operating drone.

What we focused on was not the theoretical likely hood that a multi-engine drone could be produced. But the "practical" likely hood that they could reliably remove the human element from such a complex task of operating an airplane in the National Airpace Structure.

During the flight that this discussion took place, we were departing Newark, NJ. As you might know, we are limited to 250kts, by regulation, under 10,000 ft. The particular mode that we needed to use for the departure out of Newark, the airspeed was limited (by the mode we selected) was 215kts. However, after takeoff, the flight guidance system that should have limited the airspeed to 215 kits faulted and was accelerating towards 250kts. We intervened and corrected the speed problem manually, which is not uncommon to have to correct from the autopilot/flight guidance systems.

This and similar incidents happen on nearly every flight (that require human intervention) was the genesis of this topic. How could a drone reliably be created to operate in our system when it can't handle small speed or altitude constraints. How would a multi-engine drone ever by able to RELIABLY handle an engine failure (V-1 cut) when 2 appropriately rated and trained pilots are working quite hard in the simulator to handle such complex emergencies.

Practically, I feel we are a long way from that day where a pilotless multiengine drone can safely and reliably fly in our system, without human intervention.

But, I'd like to hear other views.
The russians launched a space shuttle into space, it orbited the earth, re-entered the atmosphere enduring a crazy amount of stress and heat, and landed like an airplane, all with automation and remote control...and that was 25 years ago.

Heck, just think about your autobrakes...lol, they took braking away from humans a long time ago!

While there are numerous problems to be overcome with automation and integration into previous architecture and systems, the indescribable march is impossible to ignore IMO.

There are many ways that one could have "fail-safes" designed into such a system, sensors that determine if the systems are operating correctly, and if not, they choose a different mode of control. AI is becoming extremely advanced and capable. At some point, even though there will still be equipment failures and malfunctions, the amount of failures from a completely automated system will become lower than one that requires human interaction. That day is coming, whether you like it or not and it's already come in many industries.

Luckily we don't really have to worry about this impacting our jobs as pilots in our lifetimes, although I'd say we are seeing effects in society as more and more people are displaced from traditionally required jobs.
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