HAHAHA Dude seriously you made my day. I like your arguement but, have you ever, ever ever, ever ever met a pilot horizon or non horizon that didnt' whine about something???? If you have met such a pilot he/she probably just got his student pilot license and hasn't done his first flight yet. When are you upgrading..? I'm sure when you come over the Q400 whining will be one of the only things you do? I could hear you now "conditions levers, piece of sh!t" "man the RJ went way faster than this piece of crap" "the RJ this the RJ that" hahahahah "7 legs today, man that sucks" "ahh we have to go through customs 4 times today" and the list goes on and on.. I guess the moral of the story is if you think you wont fly with someone that whines, then you need to go fly solo where it is vfr and smooth air with a good scenary.