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Well as most can tell it is a lost cause debating this on an Internet forum. How ever did Skywest negotiate their current policy without expressjet to do it for them, and to end up with a better pay scale to boot?
Guys like you and the reason there is a rip between the groups. You say we are riding your coat tails in negotiating, but how long have you been in negotiations and the current TA is what you have aquired? So to answer your question we will negotiate on our own! Seems to have worked for the last 40 years.
But you aren't really negotiating anything. You are an at-will employee. SAPA doesn't have any leverage to get anything that management wouldn't give you anyway.
And the XJT TA has better compensation and benefits than what management give you guys! You can't argue that deciding to get what XJT gets in matching funds and health benefits doesn't affect the leverage in managements favor in that. Open your eyes. What you get is because of others, not the other way around.
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Originally Posted by Nevets
My main point in all this was to point out that your management is making deals on your behalf and our guys are negotiating against your interest and you have had no place on the bargaining table to at last nod in agreement. And yet that is not enough to get you guys to engage?
Skywest has a happy non-union pilot group and management wants to keep it that way. If they really negotiate against us behind our backs they would turn us into an unhappy pilot group.
If it truly is bad for me what can I really do about it? I don't really have a leg to stand on as a junior FO. What I'm probably going to do is exactly what Electra said: continue to do my job, be respectful and try not to burn bridges. If our pilots get screwed they become unhappy and start a union drive. If we don't get screwed then I'll be glad I didn't waste my energy listening to internet trolls.
Happy or ignorant? Probably both. Of course management wants to keep it that way! Has it ever occurred to you that is because it prevents you from being compensated and protected better? Our own CEO, president, COO and EVPs all have their own employment contract. Why do you think that is? And why do they fight your right to have one as well?
Not too long ago there were almost 1,000 Skywest pilots that voted for a union. Each one of those was one individual as you are. None of them burned bridges. In fact, I'm sure most of them are in better places now. You don't have to be disrespectful when you are advocating for an employment contact, just as the executives have been respectful. They certainly didn't burn bridges insisting and negotiating their compensation and perks in their contracts.
What I'm telling you is that your pilots are getting screwed. They have been and they are currently screwing you as we speak. I've provided proof that management is at the negotiating table with a third entity agreeing to terms of someone else's employment that could potentially screw you even more in the future! You guys just refuse to see it even when it's right in front of you.
Apathy at work...