Originally Posted by
AirbusFO
But Eastern--who gets to set this bar? There have been countless thought experiments set up by philosophers from all times which can show that nearly anything can rationalized or justified depending on the circumstances--the idea of "Absolute Morality" has been brought up and debated since Greek times--with no clear winner of the debate. Our culture has set social norms for conduct and morality the we GENERALLY all agree on..Murder, Pedophilia, and Rape are all heinous and wrong--And for the majority of these crimes the punishment we have created to deal with it are the harshest in our society. My problem is that once you get past the BIG OBVIOUS parts of our social norms and notions of wrongdoing--you fall into a murky grey soup where the social norms break down into individual beliefs that may or may not be immoral to people. The only solution I see to managing this is to make nearly everything legal (unless it is going to explicitly harm someone else)--then choose to participate, or not, based on your own individual code--and have the freedom of speech and expression to stand in the door and scream at the top of your lungs how wrong you think this behavior is..."I may disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" Just a similar notion with behavior..
So how are you going to decide what is explicitly harmful to other people and what is not? Who are we trying to protect by enforcing rules on society? The innocent (non-participants) or the violators (participants) of these norms? Is it ok for a 16 yr old to have sex with whomever they want? (A pedophile for instance) Is it ok for a young Parent to get high on crack while their 2yr old is in the next room? Who is getting hurt here and who do the current laws protect? Do you think one persons actions (or a group of people) have no impact on a society as a whole?
Your do what you like philosophy is just as grey as the current norm you oppose. Without a moral norm established by a society there would be chaos. Those norms change for better or worse throughout history and will continue to be part of civilization. In my opinion people should argue for social norms based on the true benefits or detriments to a society and leave the "I'm better than you" crap out of it. And forget about trying to get everyone to agree with each other on everything. Someone is always going to feel offended.