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Old 01-04-2014 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
On the second I was scheduled for a long 11:45 flight duty period. I started the day at 5:30 and according to the new charts that put me at a 12 hr FDP. After our first two flights our last flight was delayed. The delay would put us at 12:41 hr FDP. The company new before we landed our second flight that our FDP would be exceeded. AT NO POINT was I or the Captain called to give us a heads up. We had a 3:40 sit before out last flight. The new rules say we cannot be SCHEDULED into a flight that breaks our FDP. When I called scheduling and was thrown from scheduling to crew tracking to the CPSC they said no flags came up at all. It seems their system is already programmed to show the 2 hr extension availability automatically and that is why were not flagged. Although you can be extended with the agreement between PIC and company, the COMPANY MUST report it to the FAA. I have not been contacted yet and don't know if I need to be for the FAA report.

My point is that had we not been proactive we would not have realized we could have called in fatigued much before the departure of the last flight. The LATT on the paperwork shows both the non extended and extended times for Last available take off time. We both agreed to take the extension as we didn't feel fatigued, but we did end up having a somewhat trying landing in bad weather so please be careful out there everyone and remember the new rules were set up to be SAFE.

I called ALPA yesterday about it and have yet to hear back. I did call late though.
Funny I brought this up the other day as a "what if" on the trip I was flying since we could have had the very same thing happen. The Captain had complete faith the company would let him know and he felt that what I was talking about was a non-issue.

This seems not to be the case. Again knowledge is power! It's all new stuff for both sides, so us as pilots need to get smart on FAR 117 and not always take the word of the scheduler since they might be wrong. I think for now if you are unsure, it is better to challenge them rather than to take their word for it like you guys did. Kudos!