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Old 01-13-2014 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Aviator89
Are we talking about frost like what you get after fueling? Or is this "frost" small amounts of ice and snow?
Frost from recent fueling wont be an issue, but if they were sitting there with snow/ice actually on the top of the wings my comment below may be appropriate. However, if its really, really cold most fresh snow will blow off at just a few knots. But if its wet(er) snow, then it may stick.

As a pilot, or flight attendant or knowledgeable passenger, someone should have said something. USair 405 and Air Ontario 1363 crashed for the same reasons. Snow and ice accumulation after incorrect or lack of deicing procedures. A few of the passengers noticed the wing contamination but failed to say anything. One was a captain from another airline but he didnt want to upset the flying crew. Could have saved alot of lives if he nutted up and said something... At least make sure the FA tells the captain there is a safety issue brought up by a passenger.
Exactly. Hit the call button, and ask the working FA to call the flight deck and tell them you noticed some ice on the wing. That will get their attention everytime and unless they are stupid, they will get a deice. I've run plenty of deice trucks. I've seen it many times where you preflight and no frost. Then as the sun comes up the temperature dips and frost everywhere. Maybe the ground crew missed something. You don't know because you weren't in the cockpit. You don't know the condition of the airplane when it was preflighted. You don't know if the crew asked for a tactile check and was told the aircraft was OK prior to push. You could fill a book with what you don't know.

Kudos to the crew for turning around and deicing once the frost was brought to their attention. That seems to be the only professional thing I read in the OP post.

Last edited by FlyingKat; 01-13-2014 at 11:13 AM.