Originally Posted by
valarmorghulis
And may I also sum up your position:
"It's different now."
Maybe, but leaving out the origins of this mess in scope relief ignores how it won't be different now. Delta, New American, United continue moving away from 50 seat jets and adding 717s/E-190s to mainline. The regional airline pilot numbers have peaked for good. How pilots eventually get hired to backfill mainline is never going to be a problem if the pay and benefits stay where they are. The mainline pilots have been kicking themselves for their giveaways for the last 20 years as they've jumpseated to work on CRJ200s.
My feeling is that pilots are encouraged from day one to think about honor, doing what's right, integrity. It's a great profession in that respect. It's essential to know however that historically no other part of the regional industry acts with any of those things, not unions, not airline executives, not media, not the training industry, not any other part. Maybe it would be better if each pilot throttled back a little on the "death before dishonor," "prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas" and operate more like a ruthless, emotionless one person business. If that means now is the time to say not just no but faaa no, eyes are open. But fear is a legitimate decision making tool.
Sorry about the verbosity and lack of clarity. I'm trying to do better.
I'm all about verbosity and your clarity is fine, it's your thinking that is flawed. Your first paragraph is essentially agreeing with everything I've written. Yes, flying is moving back from the regionals to the majors, yes the major pilots are waking up to the fact that scope relaxation has cost them jobs and leverage, yes the regional numbers have peaked. This is all true with or without concessions at the regionals, although making the regionals cheaper may make the process more lengthy. As we've discussed, the case of Comair shows that voting in concessions won't save an airline when much larger industry forces are controlling its ultimate destiny.
Your second paragraph is where you lost me. First, I vehemently disagree with the idea that because other players in the industry have no moral compass, we pilots should aspire to be amoral in our decisions and make them based purely on selfish motives where one's individual take is the first and last consideration. That's the mentality that led people to scab. That's the mentality that led senior mainline pilots to sell out their junior counterparts' jobs for more money. That's the mentality that led to B-scale. If individuals had much power at all on their own, unions would be completely unnecessary. It's only by banding together that we have any power at all. That requires thinking of the good of the profession - including those that enter it years after us - as much as what is good for one individually. It requires a moral compass. These current concessionary proposals are especially repugnant because everybody who votes for them gets to keep their current pay (albeit frozen to be chipped away at by inflation) while consigning future coworkers to *less* pay. Any "captain" who would doom their future FOs to poverty-level wages in perpetuity isn't worthy of the title, in my opinion. Yeah, management doesn't have any moral considerations. I would hope we're better human beings than that.
Secondly, you characterize my position as "death before dishonor," and asking the Eagle pilots to essentially fall on their sword. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that a no vote is NOT falling on one's sword. I'm saying AA management is lying through their teeth when they throw out the fear grenade of an instant-Comair. I'm saying that today's industry conditions make shifting the huge amount of capacity at Eagle impossible in a short period of time and there is no way they can shut it down any quicker than Comair was (6 years!). I'm also saying that such a slow drawdown is likely inevitable whether concessions are passed or not, due to industry forces much larger than pilot payscales. I'm saying that even your ideal, amoral, "F everyone else, I'm getting mine" pilot can look at this and rationally vote no.