Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Expressjet pilots just voted down their TA. Eagle decided not even to release it to their pilots. ALPA's own data reflected a near hiring shortage in 2007 before the financial crisis pushed that off until now.

Those data points converge, just as Captain Lee Moak says, at a shortage in pay and working conditions.

You and I think strategically. Was it an accidental whim that resulted in our jobs here at Delta, or did we train, prepare, invest our time and money into what we figured would be a good career? At that time the model was pretty obvious. At the beginning of this Century it became apparent that model was pretty obviously broken. I was part of maybe 5% who made it out of the interview pool ... those are pretty slim odds for a student picking a career with a $100,000 buy in.

Management is already investigating a sort of ab-inito, multi crew license proposal. Management will solve the math problem. They will solve it with us, or without us. It has always been your preference to be engaged.

Sharpen your pencil Sir. I'll be glad to assist. Politically, this is all win for ALPA and ALPA's leadership. I do not know if Captain Moak needs the express pilots to win, but this would gain their support.