Originally Posted by
Flying Ninja
Can you provide more details on how this can come to reality? My understanding of pilot pay is that management says, we're giving your pilot group $100M. The pilot union (composed of very senior pilots) then come up with a pay scale, present it to its pilots to vote, and that's how the scale comes about.
Now, if that is the case, then at the very best, there will be no increase for the senior years, particularly at the captain side of the scale, and an increase on the low FO side. At the worst, the seniors will take a pay cut, and move that excess over to the low FO side.
It seem to me to be the "let's help our own" mentality. This doesn't seem to be a "divide and conquer" mentality. For you to suggest this makes me think that NOBODY is going to give up any pay to help out the little guys coming through the door.
Correct me if I'm wrong or don't understand how this pay scale becomes reality.
Thank you for saving me time explaining.
You get it and most do but we have the ones at the top of the scales or getting there that do not and that because they are selfish and greedy. They never had to survive on FO Regional pay for 10 years. They are the ones not willing to give up anything to help anyone else and they demand to get equal raise if the ones at the bottom get any. They are making six figures plus at the Regional level and claim they are lowly paid (every pilot at the Regionals are badly paid they claim) at the same time they do not give a **** about the guys making 25K at the bottom. Reality of things is that the Regional business model can't afford to pay all guys six figures. If it would then there would be no purpose for the majors to have Regional doing their flying. The Regionals gets the flying because they can operate cheaper and that because they pay less. We all get that and understand that there is not much more room, there is some but not much but there is a lot to do about the pay scales and how unfair the division of the available cash for the crew has been done. There is no other industry with the extreme of two people working together doing the same job while one getting paid 4 to 5 times what the other one is making. People should not make the same, not even for the same job, that is not my point, seniority should pay more and more responsibility should pay more but never 4 to 5 times what the guys doing the same job at the bottom is making and specifically not at the Regional level where the salaries at the bottom are ridiculously low. The guys that believes getting 4 or 5 times what the bottom guy is getting is right while the bottom guy is on food stamps are the guys that also believes it is right for a CEO to make in one year 80 times what the lowest paid pilot is making and have the arrogance to tell the guy at the bottom that he is the problem. He will even tell him, if you do not like the pay don't take the job.
Well guess what, there are not many taking the job anymore and if we do not find solutions the highest paid one will also lose his job (with all that follows) because without new pilots attrition will kill every Regional out there.