Originally Posted by
LeineLodge
I still don't get what you're saying. You clearly don't like this language since it constitutes a "micro empire." Are you saying we should trade it away for something else?
For once I agree with Purple. There is no need to even begin entertaining giving this up. Someone posted a few pages back that we go it in return for giving them 12 month seat locks on new-hires. It was done outside of Section 6. I was surprised as hell that they gave it up so easily, but I see NO reason to give it back.
Well its pretty easy to say there will be zero give and nothing but massive gains. If we can accomplish that, great. C2015 we're getting everything. Case closed, its that easy.
But, if we end up with still marginal work rules or other areas that still need major improvement, how exactly do you see something like that surviving? Again, its not about the occasional pilot screwed out of a prime EU trip and sent on a non commutable trip to the malaria belt while eating hotel rooms and inheriting unplanned commutes on days off. I'm very much in favor of significant protections for OE recovery flying including pay, credit, report, release, theatre and off circadian protections similar to the original trip, plus hotels in domicile mid footprint if necessary. The old system was unacceptable.
By the way, you realize the buddy bid month off trick was obtained with a…*gasp*…concession, right? So in that case it was OK to monetize a concession, particularly one that negatively effects far more pilots than the positive side does. But to reallocate any of that in any way is somehow martyr card worthy. Like I said, they will ask for it, and I don't see 51% of the pilot group fighting to keep that one little but very expensive microperk when we have so many other shortcomings in our pay and work rules over all.
If that's a "give back" then what do you call the many other work rule/rig deficiencies we have now? Do you really think they will
all be fixed in 2015 with zero compromise in any area on any thing? Because the issue in question was only obtained via compromise in the first place. Speaking of unilateral take with no give ever under any circumstances, you are aware that we are in 117 negotiations, right? What do you think that is about? We're going to get some things as a result. But we are going to give up some things as well, otherwise the company wouldn't care to have these negotiations in the first place.
So what will we give up? Whatever that ends up being, and I have several ideas actually but that's besides the point, are you fine with keeping the micro empire buddy bid windfall, but OK with whatever we give up? If so, what's the difference?