Originally Posted by
crewdawg52
Well, from my understanding, a lot of those listed were in our proposal for the last contract. How many made it?
In addition, just because you are against "1.5 over 80", what gives you the right to limit the amount someone can make IF HE OR SHE WISHES TO FLY AND EARN MORE? Every person has a reason, be it kids approaching/ in college, new car, medical bills, taking care of family members, mx on the house, savings, etc.
Many here spout off about the "time value of money", stagnation, etc. Guess what, this is one way for those who are "stagnated" or junior to make up some of that "time value of money" which is lost due to the lack of upgrades. Oh, and for green slips, usually it's the same senior individuals who get them.
I will campaign FOR1.5 over 80 as hard as I can, because NO ONE has the right to tell me how much I can fly and earn (unless of course, it's defined by FAR's)
Sorry for the rant. Off soap box......
Great idea!!! Let's get rid of the ALV+15 limit while we're at it and let everyone fly to the FAR's!
Except for those benefiting from it, most pilots did not like Trip Parking. What you're proposing would be far more detrimental than that, or any of the other work rules that have gone bye-bye over the years. I MIGHT be able to get behind 1.5 over 80 (I was fnwa btw, as I assume you are on the 744) but it would have to come with a cap - not limited solely by FAR's. 80 is just too high of a premium trigger, and would incentivize far too many of us to help Delta reduce our headcount.
The point is, there is a balance to be struck, and we will naturally all have our personal opinions on it. After the stagnation of the past decade+ I have little interest in anything that will further reduce Delta's staffing requirements.
The GS system definitely favors seniority in category, but as others have mentioned on here, it is more affected by your bidding strategy. The senior guys get more GS's because they are more likely to be OFF when GS's are flowing. All other things equal, the junior guy has to get his G#1 before the senior guy gets G#2.
If a pilot chooses not to chase the bigger payrate for better seniority in-category, he benefits by having better bidding options and the ability to set himself up for more GS's. He also has the option to bid up a category for the higher payrate, but probably fewer pay hours in a given year... If you say we shouldn't limit ourselves at all, then option #2 gets pushed back even further. IMO, after seeing both ways of doing things, I don't want to go back to 1.5 over 80. The current system seems to un-stovepipe things a little bit more, creating more options for guys vertically throughout the list.
Nobody is telling you how much you can make. I'd argue that if you live in base and know how to game the system you could make more as a senior NB FO rather than sitting wherever you do on the whale. We have 73NB's making more than the A's they fly with. There are plenty of ways to skin the cat...