Originally Posted by
LostInPA
Ex-fueler here, I don't know if this is industry wide, but what I'm describing holds true for all stations for a large company that specializes in 121 carrier fuel management.
Once you defuel an airplane, all the fuel in that tanker must then go into the company's aircraft that you de-fueled from. Say you have a truck with several thousand gallons or so in it and you would do a defuel from a 9E airplane, you would need that truck to only work 9E flights until it is empty. That can get to be a massive pain at small stations/places that don't see many flights from the affected carrier. At my ex-employer, if the fuel vendor personnel really want to follow the rules, the fueler should call their tank farm people to do a density test on the fuel in the truck immediately before de-fueling into it. Plus, I always found it funny how many of my coworkers had difficulty with the paperwork/basic math. The truck meter only counts upward, whether the fuel is coming in or out, so your gallons 'through' the meter no longer equalled the amount 'out' of the tank.
Apologies if I bored you all to death, but just figured I'd explain the rocket surgery behind a simple process.
That makes more sense... I had to defuel about 20,000 lbs the other week and they didn't make a deal out of it. Of course, this was at the mothership and most of the traffic is company aircraft.
I'll agree with the sentiment on 9E guys being more apt to single engine. I did it every flight unless I couldn't... most were of similar mindset mostly no matter how disgruntled.
It makes much more sense now that I never once saw an XJ plane do a delayed engine start. Not allowing an FO to start an engine sounds like something AA would do... It's logical that culture and mindset could carry on.
9E is also a lot less lenient on overweight landings. At DL, if we're going to be overweight going into a hub or mx station, we just land and log the VS in the logbook. A quick sign off and off we go again... none of this sitting burning gas, holding, or the like.