Originally Posted by Herkflyr

So in your universe, ANY agreement that the company and union might eventually come to will by default be a sellout? Has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, we are doing some serious wrangling behind closed doors?

I have heard at least one angry sort state that the fact we haven't come to an agreement yet with the company is evidence of DALPA's impotence. Any doubt whatsoever that if we came to an immediate agreement in January that this same dude would claim that DALPA just couldn't help but instantly cave?

The bottom line is this: at some point we need to have a clear cut set of reserve rules, that the company, union, and most importantly, the line pilot can use for definitive guidance. Do you honestly think we can continue this "limbo" status for years on end? Or would you rather just go to the "great" SWAPA model of all reserve is all short call, all the time?

No, we (DALPA) aren't just going to cave and meekly accept SD's memo that abrogates our contract as the new reality. Yes, we will have changes, and yes we will get some value for all the pilot group as those changes are (eventually) agreed to.

Please give your reps some leeway and credit.

Originally Posted by index

I hate to break it to you but that is exactly what has already happened.

There is a clear reason why there has only been 50ish such instances of forced PDs, lost pay, and a carpet dance at the CPO. Lack of leadership by DALPA and the line pilot's commensurate lack of faith that the union has their back.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank

So for you, BBar, it doesn't matter what the agreement is, as long as it's an "agreement." Peace at all costs.

How can you possibly say that an agreement is preferred ...when you don't know what the agreement consists of??

And given DALPA's recent track record of less-than-stellar negotiations (do I need to list them again?), your mentality is baffling.

Index nailed that mindset: