This is probably some of the best info I've gotten out of APC yet...appreciate all the perspectives. One thing that I have noticed with any/all of these threads -- they all turn into a "b&%^h" session! Good stuff though. Oh yeah, from an outsider looking in...never settle for less money because it's very hard to get it back when management see's you can do just fine without it. From what I can tell ALL of you regional guys deserve better pay and benefits than you're getting so keep pushing for more as you have been! (might help me out if I go this route too )