Originally Posted by
80ktsClamp
This is either exaggeration or ignorance. Every carrier I know of has a 2 bust rule then your job is in jeopardy.
UPS @ BHM. Supposedly the saving factor was voluntary withdrawal once the writing was on the wall.
Originally Posted by gearjerk
You use two recent examples of accident investigation to stereotype an airline process/procedure that has been effective for the majority of the recent century?
I've been on multiple Safety Investigation/Accident Investigation Board's in the Air Force; one accident involving a fatality. If the culmination of our Board's findings resulted in classifying accidents and the process of seniority as you have, I guarantee you the president of our investigation would've been fired by the General he was briefing.
You attack the seniority progression of the airlines, with weak arguments about how it has resulted in two recent accidents. Don't you think it's slightly a small scope of material? And then offer the idea that the Corporate world does it better through the "merit" system. I would offer the "merit" system (a.k.a. a$$kissing), is even more dangerous than the process we have now. I know for a fact that the corporate environments I've witnessed, and those that have disregarded their own integrity to a$$kiss the boss were lesser individuals, and therefore less competent to be an effective leader (e.g. PIC) than someone whose had a "bad day or two" in the simulator.
Again, referring to the SIB/AIB's. Anyone can have a bad day, on any given day. I guarantee you will too! The fact that it doesn't result in an investigable accident, doesn't mean that you are so much superior to someone else with your piloting prowess, it means that the process in place now, WORKS and the statistics (i.e. your material to lambast the system) will remain limited, at best.
The process you mentioned is seniority. It says nothing about competence.
How ironic anyway. Who gets called for interviews at the legacies? I don't see anyone getting cold-calls at Delta, United, and American. You can have stellar qualifications and never hear a peep. Meanwhile people of far lesser qualifications get called because, again, the terms used above 'ass-kissing' , 'favoritism' , 'squadrons' , 'universities' are used to get buddies through the doors. So that is okay and works to get a pilot through the door and hired but not when on the line?