Originally Posted by
DAL 88 Driver
Okay, I understand now. The FAA always gets it right... and legal is always safe. So in the old FAR's, the minimum reduced layover was 8 hours and that was safe...... until it wasn't. And now, in FAR 117, they went out of their way to make 8 hours of sleep to be the standard for the amount of sleep a pilot should get before carrying passengers. But since they put some split duty language into the FAR to allow for CDO's, it's okay for THOSE pilots to have less than 8 hours of sleep (cause you and I both know pilots aren't sleeping 8 hours during the day before beginning a CDO).
Yeah, I agree with you. It's legal.
But it's not safe. Now way no how.
Maybe they had one "panel" that decided 8 hours of sleep was important and another panel that decided it wasn't?
Nobody is saying that. These trips with a 30 hr layover and over 8 hours of flying after a 0400 wake up are not exactly safe (for me) either.
So we'll have to compromise to get an overall better product for the pilot group. Reducing those 30 hour layovers that I have no option in avoiding and adding in CDOs with restrictions and override that some will prefer while overall improving workrules (equalizing ADG and DPA is huge!) and adding pilot jobs is preferrable.